Sea the Stars caps an outstanding career in the Arc today

5 thoughts on “Sea the Stars caps an outstanding career in the Arc today”

  1. Glenn,

    John Sparkman has a nice analysis, and I have a comment in the post:
    http://pedigreecurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2009/10/stars-shines-in-arc.html

    I think he’s exceptional — he won the Derby while Dancing Brave didn’t. He’s up there with the best of them, I think, in a group that includes Mill Reef, Brigadier Gerard, Nijinsky — and the other greats. Sea-Bird won 7 of 8 and had a similar record to Sea the Stars, but Sea the Stars won the Guineas in addition to the Derby and Arc, while Sea-Bird won the Derby, then raced in France, and recorded probably the most impressive Arc of all time.

  2. Sid,

    John Sparkman notes a reservation about the status of Dancing Brave in this selection of the very best, and I’ve always considered Dancing Brave a bit flattered at Timeform 140, but Sea the Stars is probably every bit that good.

    In my view, it would have been ever so game if Kinane had not fought the colt for control early and given Sea the Stars a bit more rope that allowed him to stride along in a better position. It would certainly have given everyone a sterner test at the finish.

    Despite the hares in front, none of the real runners were paying them any mind. The trainer-jockey are so afraid Sea the Stars doesn’t stay that I’m amazed. Here’s a colt who finished beautifully on rising ground at Newmarket for the Guineas and at Epsom for the Derby.

    He has no shortage of stamina, and his speed is a bonus that corrects a lot of errors.

    Now if breeders will try not to load his book with too many Oaks fillies and such, he ought to make a very usable stallion.

    Cheers,
    Frank

  3. Dancing Brave really should have won the Derby. He was set an impossible task, and absolutely flew in his attempt to retrieve the situation.

    He’d been on the go even longer than Sea the Stars when he won the Arc (having won the Craven Stakes a couple of weeks before the Guineas).

    Not surprisingly, he’d absolutely had enough for the year when fourth in the Breeders’ Cup.

    I think he might be OK covering middle-distance fillies – he’s probably a quicker horse than his half-brother Galileo, and he gets a surprising amount of speed (Nighttime, Teofilo, New Approach, Lush Lashes).

  4. Alan, no question Dancing Brave was given too much to do, and many of the greats don’t have the full resume because of trip, luck, competition on the day, ground, being over the top or asked for too much…same holds true for Mill Reef (Guineas and the horse ahead of him), Nijinsky (2nd Arc), and the Brigadier (to Roberto). The exercise at this level is splitting hairs for the sake of discussion, and obviously it’s subjective, but i think we’d all agree that we’re speaking of an elite group that is better than the outstanding group, which includes, say, Montjeu, for instance.

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