Ingenious nick for Spend a Buck = Einstein (Brz)

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  1. This does illustrate how difficult it is to define a stallion as
    “good” or “bad” without reference to the quality of his mares, and to what degree the mares bred to him have an affinity.

    From a statistical viewpoint, it’s extremely difficult to seperate the two. A stallion may have a lower percentage of stakes with his mares than all the other stallions those mares have been bred to, but to what degree that reflects the a stallion being “good” or “bad” and to what degree it reflects his affinity to the mares he has covered is hard to determine.

    What we call a “good” stallion is really one that has an affinity with a high proportion of mares to which he is bred (or a very strong affinity with a smaller proportion of mares, so tending to get “the big horse” but be less consistent) – although I’d admit that the terms “good” and “having a high affinity for a wide range of mares” are effectively the same if view subjectively by the breeder or owner.

    In isolation, “good” would really refer to a set of desirable characteristics for which the sire is dominant and passes on consistently, irrespective of his mare.

    One has to wonder how often a stallion has been negatively impacted by a wrong perception of his likely affinitis. One example might be Forestry, who on paper, looked a very good cross for Mr. Prospector line mares, but who’se proved, Fappiano line apart, not to be well-suited by the cross in general.

    All of this is one reason, why I strove to create something that would examine a cross relative to how a sire did with all other mares, as wells as how his mares did with all other stallions – it does at least look at the situation from two different perspectives.

    In the case of Spend A Buck, it’s not surprising that his strike rate has been helped by the good runners he has had out of Ghadeer mares – the cross had a very modest strike rate (Spend a Buck with all other mares) to improve on, but we can also confirm that the cross has substantial improved on what one imagines were a good group of Ghadeer mares (they’ve done 3.5 times as well when bred to Spend a Buck as with all other stallions). So, we can confirm it’s benefit from both viewpoints. It does also show that a cross can be tried numerous times (27 starters, I think) without necessarily loosing its effectiveness in statistical terms.

    Ironically, had fashion caused Spend A Buck to be exported to South America at the start of his stud career (a la Sunday Silence to Japan), he might have enjoyed great success, with some of his runners coming up to win big races in the U.S. He’d have then been imported with great fanfare (like Roy, Southern Halo, Candy Stripes, Hussonet, etc.), only to disappoint. “Good” stallions, “Bad” stallions, or stallions that suited specific genetic/geographic environments?

    Incidentally, Spend a Buck had a somewhat recessive pedigree, and he might have done better in the U.S. with matings that reinforced some of his genetic strengths. We actually planned the mating for his first graded winner, Worth Avenue, who had strong reinforcement of the background of Buckaroo (sire of Spend a Buck)….or maybe we just got lucky!

  2. There are many examples of stallions that needed the right racing enviornment and the right types of mares by pedigree and physical type to succeed — as well as the reverse. Zamindar stood for $3,000 in Florida and did nothing, but in Europe he was the leading sire in France in 2008 and the sire of the Arc winner Zarkava; the opposite is Forty Niner, successful in the US but not effective in Japan.

  3. Wow! Some excellent posts about breeding and utilization. I have always believed that the heart of a magnificent horse can be read in competent hands and be mishandled or abused in very many famous hands. The gift of the horse and it’s potential is, unfortunately in the hands of the humans. They (horses) don’t fail us…the humans that are in charge of them do.

    Look at how many broodmares have little to no race record or sires that came from nowhere and have winners. A good horse, a special horse in the right hands will do right.

    Stop the cheap, quick race game…focus and train with committment. You’ll find them. They are there with patience and dedication. Give them time!

  4. I would like to know what current american broodmare lines Einstein might match with? It seems to me that his well published “versitility” could be attractive but how do you capture his brilliance in the offspring? Would he be better appreciated and represented in South America, like his sire, or in the US or Europe?

  5. joe, that’s a question that would require a lot of research and I’d hate to say something off the top of my head….the Buckpasser sire line is dead here, but who’s to say Einstein couldn’t bring it back? On the other hand, he’d probably have commercial problems here and he’d be up against it in Europe.

  6. i have a spend a buck mare (buckpasser close up in the female line as well). she was a moderate winner at fair grounds and would love to hear recommendations for an american stallion for her.

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