Russian racehorses, the Kentucky Derby, and a glue truck

The Russian combination of Gennadi Dorochenko and owner Vladimir Kazakov, who recently won a stakes race on the Arlington Million undercard, may eventually change the perception of Russian racehorses as more than low-level performers, but for now they are strictly second-class citizens on the international stage. Sunday’s Russian Derby at the Moscow Hippodrome, won by a Russian-bred horse by a US-based sire, didn’t change perceptions, either. But Russian racehorses are very much a part of the lexicon of young, urban America—as is the Kentucky Derby, and the concept of a “glue truck.” Who would have thought so?

The 2002 movie “Friday After Next,” directed by Marcus Raboy and starring Ice Cube and Mike Epps, features a line, “I gotta piss like a Russian racehorse at the Kentucky Derby with a glue truck behind it,” that’s now standard slang with a part of the population that probably doesn’t frequent the racetrack much. I collected some references on Twitter from a just the past few days, which you can read by clicking here.

Hear the line from the movie in the clip below, at 1:56 into it. Racing is hip, after all!

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14 thoughts on “Russian racehorses, the Kentucky Derby, and a glue truck”

  1. The Russian classic generation in some years are not.. “second-class
    citizens on the international stage”..

    The Derby winners of 1996 in what are considered the main european racing countries.. RAGMAR (France).. SHAAMIT (Epsom).. LAVIRCO (Germany).. ZAGREB (Ireland).. BAHAMIAN KNIGHT (Italy)..
    were certainly inferior to that year’s Russian homebred Derby winner SHAVAT.

    NOTE:- The Minister Of Agriculture Stakes (The Priz Im) is a better race than the President’s Cup (which is a pampered Group One)

  2. On what basis do you consider the ’96 Russian Derby winner superior to the other Euro Derby winners that you name? Russia is a Part III country in International Cataloguing Standards and her stakes races are not recognized by the international racing community. The Russian Group 1 races don’t qualify for “black type” while NY-bred stakes races do. That to me, Hal, suggests that the Russian races are accorded “second-class” status.
    For your information, the most “prestigious” race in Russia is the revolving President’s Cup. It is a race that had been won by Monomakh—a Derby winner and a Cup winner—and it is an international race that has seen European Graded winner Bronze Cannon compete in for Chechen president Ramzan Kadyrov.

  3. Sid., the basis I learned that the 1996 Russian Derby winner was regarded as the best in Europe for that year, was on a report by the German Direktorium, fourteen years ago.
    I know that Russian group races are not internationally recognized as yet… however, are you going to tell me that a New York or Michigan restricted race is superior to a Russian group race.. just because those states want them to be regarded as ‘black type’ races.! do you agree with that..?
    I say that the PRIZ IM, is a superior race than the President Cup, and I noticed that you correctly placed inverted commas to it’s discription prestigious…
    Monomakh could not help win the President Cup in 2009, the opposition was rubbish, even Donskoi Stud admitted that.

    1. Hal, with all due respect a German opinion–and I’d actually love to see that report–about the best of Europe that made the Russian Derby winner the best of Europe is a hoot. ‘Nuff said.

    2. one last thing, Hal. I don’t know from where you get your information, but when Monomakh won the President’s Cup in 2009, the multiple English Group 2 winner Bronze Cannon was fourth in the same race. He can hardly be considered “rubbish.”

    3. Hal Dane: Monomakh could not help win the President Cup in 2009, the opposition was rubbish, even Donskoi Stud admitted that.

      Sid: I don’t know from where you get your information, but when Monomakh won the President’s Cup in 2009, the multiple English Group 2 winner Bronze Cannon was fourth in the same race. He can hardly be considered “rubbish.”

      Article: The second Crown of Monomakh
      (official web-site of Donskoi Stud)

      http://www.donskoistud.ru/news/cont/presidentscup2009.htm

      http://www.donskoistud.ru/news/cont/presidentscup2009_0.htm

      Where is “rubbish” written?
      Bronze Cannon was the best foreign horse which sometime participated in the President’s Cup.

  4. Mr Corvo., as a 2-y-o, Bronze Cannon was rated by Timeform
    30 pounds INFERIOR to that year’s top 2-y-o, New Approach.

    As a 3-y-o, Bronze Cannon was rated by Timeform, 22 pounds INFERIOR to that year’s top 3-y-o, Raven’s Pass.

    As a 4-y-o, there was 28 horses running in the UK, that were rated better than Bronze Cannon, by Timeform.

    Before he ran at Moscow he was well beaten in Germany when he ran in the Preis von Europa.

    In the Group 2 race that he won in England, he only beat two other hprses… as there were only three runners in the race.

  5. Mr Corvo., an update on Bronze Cannon..

    He was beaten again on Saturday (Sept 3) in a little Group 3 race on the Dirt at Kempton Park.

    Although he was ridden by a very very good jockey, he still could not win this small Group Three race.. (7 runners) he was a 16/1 outsider.

    1. Hal:

      Please. At the time of the race, Bronze Cannon was the best horse in recent times from Europe to contest a Russian race. Any of the Russian horses would have had negative numbers on Timeform vs Bronze Cannon. And where did you come up with the “rubbish” statement? Germany?

  6. Come on, Sid., how do you arrive at the conclusion that the three horses who finished in front of Bronze Cannon in the President’s Cup would have automatically be rated inferior to him before the race.

    Why do you think that Russian racing doesn’t have good horses.?

  7. International handicappers do not weight Russian horses on Free Handicaps, the International Federation of Horse Racing Authorities do not recognize Russian group or stakes races, and Russian horses don’t compete versus international competition, for starters, Hal.

    Not always the case, though. Check out my posts on Anilin and Zabeg, two Russian Derby winners from the 1960s that raced at international level against the best in the world.

    You seem to, on one hand, use international ratings like Timeform to make a point, but then ignore their and IFHA world lists at the same time. I understand you are fan of racing from Russia and Central Europe–as I am–but you’re obviously not familiar with the technicalities of black type and the rating of races.

    I suggest you learn more about international black type, and then perhaps you can arrive at how the three horses that finished ahead of Bronze Cannon would have been rated inferior to him on international ratings.

  8. I have to smile when you say that I am not familiar with the technicalities of the rating of races…

    I am the guy who came up with this idea of Pattern Racing, commonly called Group Races in 1960.

    It is a small world, Sid..

    1. Hal, then I’m not telling you anything you don’t know: That is, according to the concept of Pattern Races, Russia’s races are NOT internationally recognized and are considered of inferior quality to those countries considered as Part I racing nations, such as UK.

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